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Summary

Numbers-backed answer to #7756: "how many editors can be on one pad, and where is the bottleneck?" Every claim links to a CI run whose report.json is downloadable for re-analysis.

This PR description is intentionally brief; the doc itself (docs/scaling-dive-2026-05.md) is the source of truth and contains the full methodology, every lever scored, the negative results, and the honest re-evaluations.

Headline findings

  1. Real ceiling on a 4-vCPU GitHub runner: ~350-400 authors per pad. Beyond that, p95 cliffs from ~80 ms to ~2000 ms within one step. CPU consumed 7+ cores of work per wall-second — OS preemption, not slow code paths.

  2. The "250-author cliff" earlier reports kept hitting was a measurement artefact. Per-IP commitRateLimiting + harness colocation (all simulated authors share 127.0.0.1). Fixed in load-test#105. Production deployments with many client IPs are not affected.

  3. Runner noise is significant. Each GHA matrix entry runs on a potentially different physical runner. The same develop baseline produced p95 between 38 ms and 122 ms at step 350 across three identical runs. All single-run lever conclusions sit inside the noise envelope below the cliff. The doc adopts N=3-per-lever methodology and reports min/median/max.

  4. Two changes hold up under N=3 scoring:

    • #7774 — engine.io socket flush deferral. Tightens the tail at mid-load (step 350 max: 122 → 110 ms; step 300 max: 71 → 58 ms). Wire-compatible, server-side only. The only N=3-confirmed perf win in this program.
    • #7768 — per-socket fan-out serialization. No measurable perf benefit (the earlier "70% drop" was single-run noise), but a real correctness fix: the previous code was racy under concurrent commits and could lose revisions on emit failure. Recommend merging for correctness, not perf.
  5. Five directions did not pan out, documented in full:

    • WebSocket-only transport — reliably worse at cliff (N=3 confirms).
    • --max-old-space-size heap bump — no effect.
    • Closed PRs: #7766, #7770, #7769, #7772. Each has a one-paragraph diagnosis in the doc.
  6. The cliff is hardware-bound, not code-bound, on the runner we measure. Production with more cores per host sees proportionally higher ceilings without code changes. Remaining application-level surface explored end-to-end.

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This is documentation only — no code changes. Reviewers should verify:

  • The numbers in the tables match the linked CI runs' report.json files.
  • The methodology caveat section accurately describes how GHA matrix entries map to physical runners.
  • Recommendations match the actual disposition of each linked PR.

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Phase 2 deliverable from the scaling-dive program. Documents:

- Methodology (harness commit, runner shape, sweep specs, decision rules)
- Baseline curve at authors=20..200 against develop HEAD
- Per-lever scoring (perMessageDeflate deferred, nodemem no-effect,
  websocket-only refuted, raw ws not pursued)
- Recommendation: prototype fan-out batching as the next lever (the
  data identifies emits scaling O(N^2) as the dominant cost)

Closes Phase 2 of #7756. Phase 3 (batching prototype) is a separate
feature branch the dive workflow will score.

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Scaling dive 2026-05: Phase 2 analysis with fan-out bottleneck findings

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• Documents Phase 2 scaling analysis with empirical measurements
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• Refutes websocket-only hypothesis; polling fallback beneficial
• Recommends fan-out batching as next concrete optimization lever
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Phase 2 scaling analysis with empirical bottleneck identification

• New comprehensive documentation of Phase 2 scaling dive analysis
• Presents methodology, baseline curve (20-200 authors), and decision rules
• Evaluates four optimization levers with empirical data and verdicts
• Identifies fan-out as O(N²) bottleneck; CPU saturates at 200 authors
• Refutes websocket-only hypothesis; confirms polling fallback beneficial
• Recommends fan-out batching prototype as highest-leverage next step

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1. Fan-out batching lacks results 📎 Requirement gap ➹ Performance
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The doc recommends fan-out batching but explicitly defers running/recording any batching experiment,
so there are no load-test findings on message batching/buffering impact. This fails the requirement
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+## Lever 3 — fan-out batching
+
+**Deferred.** Requires a code change in `PadMessageHandler.ts` (specifically the per-socket loop in `updatePadClients` and/or the broadcast emit at line 627). Recommended as the next concrete code change. The harness is ready to score it as soon as a candidate branch exists — point the workflow's `core_ref` input at the branch.
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+The `emits_new_changes` column on the curve table above is the direct measurement target. At 200 authors we're producing 66 032 emits per 10 s dwell. Halving the emit rate (by coalescing two changesets per emit on a sub-50 ms window) would directly reduce CPU.
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+- **Server-side instruments:** the three Prometheus counters added in #7762, enabled via `settings.scalingDiveMetrics=true`.
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+**Deferred.** Requires a code change in `PadMessageHandler.ts` (specifically the per-socket loop in `updatePadClients` and/or the broadcast emit at line 627). Recommended as the next concrete code change. The harness is ready to score it as soon as a candidate branch exists — point the workflow's `core_ref` input at the branch.
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## Lever 3 — fan-out batching

**Deferred.** Requires a code change in `PadMessageHandler.ts` (specifically the per-socket loop in `updatePadClients` and/or the broadcast emit at line 627). Recommended as the next concrete code change. The harness is ready to score it as soon as a candidate branch exists — point the workflow's `core_ref` input at the branch.

The `emits_new_changes` column on the curve table above is the direct measurement target. At 200 authors we're producing 66 032 emits per 10 s dwell. Halving the emit rate (by coalescing two changesets per emit on a sub-50 ms window) would directly reduce CPU.

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1. Fan-out batching lacks results 📎 Requirement gap ➹ Performance

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Captures everything learned since the first draft:

- The "250-author cliff" was a measurement artefact from per-IP
  commitRateLimiting + colocated harness. Fixed via the
  etherpad-load-test#105 workflow patch. Real ceiling is ~350-400
  authors on a 4-vCPU GitHub runner.

- apply_mean ballooning at the cliff isn't slow code — it's OS
  preemption (7+ cores of work on 4 vCPU). Application-level JS
  rearrangement can't reach it.

- Two changes hold up under the dive: fan-out serialization
  + NEW_CHANGES_BATCH (#7768, 70% p95 drop at 200 authors) and
  historicalAuthorData cache (#7769, neutral on dive but real
  production thundering-herd fix at join time).

- Four directions didn't pan out: WebSocket-only transport, heap
  bump, message-level batching alone (#7766 closed), and
  rebase-loop prefetch (#7770 closed). Each has a one-line cause
  documented for the record.

- Engine.io transport-level packing (#7767) is the meatiest
  untouched lever — sending multiple packets per WebSocket frame
  the way polling already does via encodePayload.

Qodo-flagged corrections incorporated:
1. The new instruments are Histogram + Counter + Gauge, not
   "three counters" — labelled correctly.
2. The lever-3 line reference now points at updatePadClients
   (lines 985-999) where NEW_CHANGES actually emits, not the
   wrong line 627 (handleSaveRevisionMessage).
3. Lever 3's results are written up against measured data, not
   "deferred".

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Addressing Qodo's three items (commit 80b3b74 — wholesale doc rewrite):

  1. Fan-out batching lacks results → Fixed. The "Lever 3" section now has the measured numbers from run 25941483750: p95 89→24 ms (-73%), apply_mean 10.7→4.66 ms (-56%), 0 vs 8 errors at step 200. The Recommendation section explicitly lists #7768 at priority 1.
  2. Metrics misnamed as counters → Fixed. The Methodology section now correctly labels each instrument: etherpad_changeset_apply_duration_seconds as a Histogram (with _bucket/_sum/_count series), etherpad_socket_emits_total as a Counter, etherpad_pad_users as a Gauge.
  3. Wrong line number reference → Fixed. Lever 3 section now points at exports.updatePadClients (lines 985–999), which is where the NEW_CHANGES emit lives. The previous "line 627" pointed at handleSaveRevisionMessage.

Bonus rewrite: the doc now reflects everything we learned after the original draft — the rate-limit artefact, the real ~350-400 author ceiling on a 4-vCPU runner, the OS-preemption diagnosis of apply_mean ballooning at the cliff, the negative results on websocket-only and the closed fanoutDebounceMs (#7766) and rebase-prefetch (#7770) PRs, and the engine.io transport-level packing direction as the next concrete lever. Every claim links to a CI run for re-analysis.

JohnMcLear and others added 4 commits May 16, 2026 07:05
Three identical sweeps against develop quantify the runner-noise
envelope. Same workload, same code, same workflow → p95 at step 350
ranged 39-122ms on baseline (3.1x spread). At step 300, 1.9x spread.

What this means for prior conclusions in this doc:

- websocket-only-is-worst HOLDS at the cliff: its envelope min (2463)
  equals baseline's max (2463), envelopes don't overlap. Single
  contradicting run was an outlier.

- lever-3 (#7768) "70% p95 drop at 200" was a single-run outlier
  comparison. The real reliable improvement is ~5-15% median p95
  plus much tighter consistency (fewer tail-latency excursions).
  The mechanism — per-socket serialization preventing overlapping
  fan-outs that contend for CPU — is still real and still worth
  merging; the headline number was inflated.

- below the cliff, all four levers' noise envelopes overlap. No
  clear winner.

Going forward: lever scoring should default to N >= 3 trials and
report min/median/max, not single-run point estimates.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
N=3 scoring of feat/cache-historical-author-data shows it's
net-negative above 300 authors (step 350 p95 envelope
301/488/633ms vs develop baseline 39/39/122ms). Two compounding
issues:
- The motivating hypothesis (250-cliff is a join thundering herd)
  was falsified — that cliff was the per-IP rate-limit artefact.
- The defensive shallow-clone-on-every-get() added in the Qodo
  fix walks O(N) author entries per join, costing more than the
  inline Promise.all it replaced.

Updated recommendations: lever 3 (#7768) is now the only PR worth
merging. lever 6 (#7769) added to the do-not-merge list with
honest data.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
Two findings from rigorous N=3 scoring:

1. Lever 3 (#7768) is NOT a perf win. When you compare like-for-
   like matrix entries (develop-baseline vs PR-baseline), the
   per-socket serialization is slightly net-negative across the
   curve. My earlier "70% drop" was a single-run outlier; the
   subsequent "tighter envelope" was a cross-matrix-entry
   comparison confounded by noise. The serialization is still a
   real correctness fix (race on concurrent fan-outs + lost
   revisions on emit error) so the PR stays open, but the
   recommendation is now correctness-only.

2. Lever 8b (#7774) — engine.io flush deferral. The follow-up to
   the closed lever 8 that actually patches Socket.sendPacket
   instead of just transport.send. queueMicrotask-coalesced flush
   gives the transport multi-packet batches to work with at last.
   N=3 shows tighter tail at step 300-350 (122 → 110 max at 350,
   71 → 58 max at 300). Not a cliff-mover. The only PR in this
   program with N=3-confirmed perf benefit.

Final disposition:
- Merge: #7774 (modest perf), #7768 (correctness), #7762 (already
  merged, instruments).
- The cliff at 350-400 authors is hardware-bound on a 4-vCPU
  runner, not code-bound. Production with more cores per host
  scales proportionally with no code changes.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
JohnMcLear and others added 5 commits May 16, 2026 08:50
CPU profile of develop at the 100-400 author dive sweep (load-test
run 25956384097) identified a ~6% process-CPU win in SessionManager:
throw-as-control-flow on every CLIENT_READY session lookup.

Add lever 9 section with the profile evidence, link the open PR
(#7775), and add a "Other CPU hotspots surfaced" subsection
documenting findings not yet acted on (Changeset internals,
appendRevision, ueberdb/dirty backing as test-harness artifact,
esbuild __name overhead). Update Recommendation to include #7775
as the highest-priority merge.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
Replace the "score pending" placeholder under lever 9 with the
actual numbers from runs 25957107195/25957108328/25957109418
(perf branch) vs 25954537767/25954538807/25954540108 (develop),
both at authors=100..500:step=50:dwell=8s:warmup=2s.

Result: consistent -1.4% to -5.3% CPU reduction across all 9 steps,
matching profile direction at 2-5% (vs 6% profile-attributed upper
bound). Latency delta sits inside the noise envelope.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
Three combined-branch runs (perf/dive-combined = #7776 cherry-picked
onto #7775 base; runs 25960003164/25960004223/25960005248) vs the
same three develop baselines: -12% to -20% CPU% across all 9 sweep
steps, with the p95 cliff effectively moving from ~400 to ~500
authors (at step 400, two of three combined runs land below the
cliff at 45ms and 112ms p95 vs develop [1758, 2275, 2463]).

Adds:
- Lever 10 section for #7776 with its own N=3 numbers (-3.6 to -8.9%
  alone).
- "Stacking" section showing super-additive interaction.
- Local vCPU experiment showing the cliff is single-event-loop-bound,
  not total-CPU-bound: 4-core and 8-core pinned SUTs hit the same
  cliff at the same step.
- Updated TL;DR, Recommendation order (merge both #7775+#7776 first),
  and "Where to take this next" with worker-thread offload as the
  smallest next architectural step.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
Post-#7775/#7776 profile shows applyToAText splits cleanly:
- applyToText (Changeset.ts:404) is pure (cs, text) -> text; trivially
  offloadable to a worker via worker_threads structured-clone postMessage.
- applyToAttribution (Changeset.ts:684) mutates AttributePool; not
  trivially offloadable.

Document the obvious first-pass design (run them in parallel via
Promise.all inside applyToAText) and the realistic estimate (~6-8%
CPU moved off the main event loop). putAttrib is only 0.26% in the
post-fix profile, confirming the bulk of applyToAText's cost is in
the string-manipulation half.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
Microbenchmark on branch experiment/worker-thread-applytotext shows
that dispatching applyToText to a worker is net-NEGATIVE at every
realistic pad size (+11% to +326% overhead). The string postMessage
serialization cost exceeds the per-call applyToText work for our
workload (typical pads are 1-10KB, calls 17-86 µs sync, dispatch
overhead 40-90 µs).

Replace the earlier "Concrete first-pass design" recommendation
(which assumed worker offload would win) with the actual numbers
and reframe the architectural next step as per-pad worker isolation
(handoff serialization paid once at pad ownership transfer rather
than per changeset).

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
JohnMcLear and others added 4 commits May 16, 2026 12:31
Add a "Roadmap for future effort" section ahead of Reproducing,
ranking the next concrete options by impact-per-time-spent.

Tier 1 (mechanical / <1 day each):
- merge ready perf PRs (#7775+#7776+#7774)
- implement #7780 room-broadcast fan-out
- additional post-fix profile pass

Tier 2 (medium, real cliff moves):
- selective fan-out / viewport-based broadcast (~2 weeks; cliff ~500 → 1000-1500)
- per-pad worker isolation PoC (~1-2 weeks PoC, 1-2 months prod)

Tier 3 (large bets):
- sticky-session cluster mode (~2-4 weeks PoC)
- CRDT migration (months; anti-recommended)

Tier 4 (operational):
- production telemetry hookup (~3-5 days)
- nightly dive in CI (~1 day)

Records the recommended sequence (Tier 1.2 → Tier 2.4) so the
next person picking this up doesn't need to re-derive it.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
CRDT migration's blast radius is wider than "plugins" — the changeset
wire format is the lingua franca for the Electron/Capacitor desktop
app, the mobile app, etherpad-cli, MCP servers, and server plugins.
A CRDT switch means parallel reimplementation in every consumer, not
just core. Upgrade the wording from "anti-recommended" to "strongly
anti-recommended" with the actual list of affected projects.

Cluster mode in contrast is mostly transparent to wire-protocol
consumers; the only deployment shape that needs care is in-process
embeds (Electron/Capacitor bundle a single Node process for a single
user — they can skip cluster mode entirely).

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
…6b (cluster)

My original Tier 3 option 6 conflated two distinct shapes the operator
audience would treat separately:

- 6a (reverse-proxy pad sharding): the L7-proxy answer the operator
  ecosystem already runs in production. No core changes; cost is
  deployment. Solves "more pads across many boxes".

- 6b (Node cluster module with sticky padId routing): single host,
  multi-worker. Solves "more pads per box". Pick this or Tier 2
  option 5 (worker_threads), not both — same problem shape, different
  isolation boundary.

Both are transparent to wire-protocol clients (desktop, mobile,
terminal/CLI, MCP) — same as the original note.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
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